When North Dakota’s Lobbyist for the People showed up to testify on behalf of a new “Ride Share Bill”, HB 1381 entering the records of the 2023 North Dakota Legislature, he thought it would be alone like the other two times he testified for the industry.
“I showed up to testify at HB 1381 thinking I would be the only one like the previous years,” Gawrylow said. “So I was surprised to see that Uber had hired a professional lobby organization to testify as well.”
Gawrylow has performed over 4,000 Uber rides and 2,700 Lyft rides and is referrring to the past legislation SB 2180 and SB 2149.
66th Legislative Assembly (2019-21) SB 2180
67th Legislative Assembly (2021-23) SB 2149
68th Legislative Assembly (2023-2025) HB 1381
“In 2019 was the first time that that the Airport Authority Association in North Dakota came to the legislature asking for the ability to tax ride share and the legislature when they had enabled ride sharing,” Gawrylow said. “The airport authority said, well, you know, with Uber and Lyft, we're losing out on these parking fees because people don't park at the airport as much as they used to do anymore because why would you leave your car at the airport if you can get a ride each way for 12 bucks.”
This time, in 2023, Gawrylow showed up to testify on behalf of drivers (and legislators) who are not aware of how ESG Legislation will impact their futures. In this Environmental Social Governance example, Gawrylow testified for ESG under the "Social” pillar, whether he knew it or not.
“"I introduced an amendment that added just one provision that the independent transportation company driver, as an independent contractor and not an employee of a transportation network, can not prohibit the driver from using a vehicle with an internal combustion engine,” Gawrylow said. “And the reason this is important is because both Uber and Lyft have announced that nationally they intend for their entire fleet to be all electric."
In Uber’s 2022 ESG Report, the company stated they are “working toward 100% rides in zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs), on micromobility, or through public transit by 2040 globally.”
However, as Gawyrlow pointed out before the legislative committee, a couple states are looking at 2030 as an all-electric fleet.
“In California they have said that they are going to mandate it, or not gonna allow anything but electric be sold after 2030,” Gawyrlow said. “In New York City, they want to mandate that all Uber's drivers be electric by 2030. And so you know, this is an area that the legislators (or Uber’s lobbyists) were not fully appraised of.”
The ESG Discussion here is once again that Everything is ESG. Every single piece of legislation and regulation can be ESG related.
In this example with ride shares, the corporations are the ones phasing out the combustion engine, not the drivers. This borders on Class Discrimination or Income Discrimination as some have easier means and access to money.
“I offered it up as an amendment and I was not in fact expecting the committee to jump all over it as quickly as they did. But they, they, they embraced it,” Gawrylow said. “The only the lone vote against it was a republican and when it came time to to vote for the final bill, a democrat seconded the motion for a "‘do pass’. The amendment got a 12-to-1 ‘do pass’ and then the bill as amended got a 13-0 ‘do pass’. They loved it.”
For Gawrylow, this victory is more than a victory for combusiton engines. It’s a victory for the people, because his regulation is actually a deregulation.
“This is a prime case of ESG because the company or corporation thinks that they're doing a good thing by by being green and pushing for electric vehicles,” Gawrylow said. “But at the end of the day, at some point it's gonna be the very people that make their company work that are gonna be left out in the cold in a car with no gas.”
Employee vs. 10-99 Independent Contractor
Recently, the controversial debate regarding Uber drivers being independent contractors or employees has been at the forefront of discussions.
Uber, the world’s largest ride-sharing company, is constantly under scrutiny for the legal classification of its drivers.
The fundamental issue is that Uber does not recognize its drivers as employees, instead classifying them as independent contractors.
When you hire an employee, you are responsible for withholding their income taxes and Social Security contributions, and paying their Medicare taxes. As the employer, you also must pay your portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes.
Independent contractors, on the other hand, are responsible for paying their own taxes.
The IRS does not require you to withhold taxes from the payments you make to them. However, you must still report payments you make to them to the IRS. This is done on IRS Form 1099-MISC.
When it comes to deductions, employees are able to deduct their business expenses on their personal tax returns. Independent contractors, however, must report their income and expenses separately on Schedule C of their tax return.
Then there is the issue of unemployment tax.
Employees are subject to unemployment tax, while independent contractors are not. Independent contractors also do not qualify for certain benefits such as health insurance and retirement plans.
This classification has been highly contested by many, who argue that Uber drivers are employees and should be provided with the same benefits as other employees.
In 2017, the State of California passed legislation that would require Uber to treat its drivers as employees.
The legislation would have forced Uber to provide its drivers with benefits such as paid time off, healthcare, and disability insurance.
However, the legislation was later overturned in court.
This debate has been ongoing for years and is far from being resolved.
Uber continues to maintain its stance that its drivers are independent contractors and that it should not be held responsible for providing benefits.
Opponents of this stance argue that Uber drivers should be given the same benefits as other employees and that the company should not be able to take advantage of the legal loopholes to avoid providing those benefits.
There has also been a debate over whether Uber drivers should be classified as independent contractors or employees in New York City.
Proponents of classifying Uber drivers as independent contractors argue that they enjoy a great degree of freedom and flexibility that comes with being an independent contractor.
The debate over whether Uber drivers should be classified as independent contractors or employees in New York City has been ongoing for some time.
The arguments for and against both sides of the issue are complex, and the legal implications of the decision are far-reaching.
With ESG and the new Gig Economy, the debate surrounding Uber, Lyft and other ride share drivers are unlikely to be resolved anytime soon.
Until then, it is up to the courts and legislators to decide how Gig Economy drivers will be classified and treated.
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Jason Spiess
All right. Let's go to the zoom line Dustin Gawrylow with the North Dakota Watchdog Network, WatchingND Dot com is the website he of course is on substack. Follow subscribe and of course if you'd like to even give him some money, you've got paid options and free options when it comes to your substack page. And today we're talking about one of those ways that man, you've been getting paid, you've been busy, , you're, you're really the lobbyist for the
people because technically you are registered at as a lobbyist. But from my understanding, as long as I've known you, you've never taken any corporate donations, have you?
Dustin Gawrylow
We do take corporate donations. , they're not usually very significant. We don't take out of state money. ,
Jason Spiess
we
Dustin Gawrylow
don't, we don't solicit out of state money. There have been times when out of state money has found its way to me, but I didn't ask for it, which is an interesting concept in the nonprofit world, but it happens. Anybody who the nonprofit knows it happens.
Jason Spiess
Well, one of the reasons I bring it up is because, you know, technically on paper, you are a lobbyist, technically on paper, you are a non profit. But in the real world you're the furthest thing from it because my under, I mean percentage wise, what would you say your donations from individual donors versus, you know, corporations are
Dustin Gawrylow
individuals, 80%.
Jason Spiess
Okay. So we just wanted to establish a little bit that, you know, you are really a lobbyist for the people and this bill hB 13 81 is interesting because, you know, someone might argue both sides are for the people because some people, they like employees and other people like independent contractors. And when you're talking about Uber or Lyft or this digital economy that we seem to be going into the modern day lemonade stand is not the same what it used to be.
So for me, I was a 10 99 employee when I was 10 years old for the Fargo form, the form of Fargo Morehead Here, I am a 1099 employee at 10 years old and the form told me where to go and bank. So I had to go bank at State Bank of Fargo now called Bell Bank when I was 10 years old, being forced by the monopoly newspaper.
That's what we're talking about here for folks, is really, what are your options as an independent contractor or an employee? HB 1381 Dustin, What is this? How did this come about? And what is your involvement in this?
Dustin Gawrylow
So yeah, the, the debate over employee versus independent contractor has been a sticking point in the whole Uber lyft ride share new economy gig economy discussion for the last 10 years. Now. North Dakota got the laws passed in 2017 that are 2015, that would allow for Uber and left to exist in North Dakota and they started operating in 2017 when they finally got the insurance and in other issues taken care of.
And so in in many other states, the liberal blue states like California and New York. their state governments are trying to force Uber and Lyft to hire their drivers as employees so that they are you know, subject of minimum wage and more importantly easier to unionize. That's the big thing is unionization is is a major issue when it comes to the rideshare world because of the way that rideshare took over the taxi market and basically pushed out taxis.
Now the special interest groups are trying to make it so that the unions take over the rideshare companies and make rideshare less profitable and less competitive with traditional taxis which is trying to more so in new york than anywhere create a protectionist model that tries to to help protect the traditional taxi cab drivers.
Jason Spiess
So one of the things that we've been following here at E. S. G. University because we have been tracking the digital economy for a while but we've been doing it more with the doordash drivers and the Uber eats drivers just because that was what was accessible to me for the story.
We've been tracking a little bit of the Uber and Lyft but not as much because we just haven't had the access when it comes to doordash and Uber eats if you will. And I think there's even a food dudes and a couple others bite bite me or something
Dustin Gawrylow
like that
Jason Spiess
bite squad. That's it. And yeah, so the same formula though, you get a percentage, they get a percentage all these other things. There's a lot of issues with the doordash economy and the Uber eats economy. Um and we don't need to get into that right now. But the one issue I do want to ask you as a Lyft and Uber driver when we first started tracking this about a year ago, these guys were making, you know 10 bucks say out of a $20 order or whatever the case is, I don't know whatever it is.
Doesn't matter. My point is that their income has been slowly been going down. So I don't know if it's regular regulation or the corporate corporate the costs have gone up or what, but if these guys were making $10 a delivery now it seems like they're making eight like it just seems like, you know, they're making 20% less than what they used to make a year ago. What are you finding with door , uber and lyft and some of these other digital economies.
Dustin Gawrylow
So yeah, I mean I've been a uber and lyft driver since the spring of 2017 when it first showed up in North Dakota and that first I would say 18 months it was gangbusters. I, I pretty much drove full time for that 1st 12 to 18 months mainly because I was clearing $1500 a week. No problem saturday nights were always $300 friday nights were 2 50 every night you could make between 100 do $200 and then special events, you know, would go even higher.
you know, I was driving you know noon from noon on a on a day until you know, three a.m. As it was before they even implemented the 12 hour limitation on on how long you could work. And so basically I've been there at the beginning from the ground floor in in bismarck and and you know, I've driven in many other cities in north, every city in North Dakota that has Uber and left, I've driven in, I've taken trips as far from bismarck as far as Sturgis, South Dakota.
I've taken many people of Williston Watford up to oil country, there's this whole dynamic of oil workers flying into bismarck they land and they don't have a way to get to Williston. And so they need an Uber. And so I've I've taken gosh out of 7000 rides that I've given in just over five years, at least 200 of those have been 100 miles or more.
And so I I have extensive experience in how Uber and Lyft works a little a little bit less on doordash, but during the pandemic before we got our unemployment for self employed folks checks. The P. U. S. I did do quite a bit of that at that time. ...
Jason Spiess
Well
Dustin Gawrylow
it was it was $600. Well actually it was closer 2000 week under the P. U. A. Plan with all the bonus money and everything else. That was that was a windfall. That's another story entirely. But um yeah when it comes to these things the models are based on early when when these companies come into a market they're highly subsidized the service to get more drivers on the road and then they start rolling down, how
Jason Spiess
are they subsidized I guess. No
Dustin Gawrylow
no no no no no the company subsidized. So so these companies there's no government, well there might be government involved
Jason Spiess
but the company is subsidizing the driver. They're they're over paying to get drivers and then once they get you they slowly take.
Dustin Gawrylow
Yeah and so what happens
Jason Spiess
I think
Dustin Gawrylow
kind of. But the so so what what happens is these you know the whole idea of surge pricing is based on demand. Well even with surge pricing you know at the peak that first year that Uber was around you know I remember you know every friday and saturday night from about 11 30 until 1 30 or two in the morning we'd be making between $50 and $100 on on a few rides that night and you make your real money you know at bar close because the prices go through the roof.
I mean I had one ride New Year's Eve of 2018 and bismarck where we didn't even leave the bismarck mandan area and and my cut was 100 and $50. So you know, it was the Wild West and it was the Gold rush and that's how they get these companies get people hooked up.
Jason Spiess
Okay. So they they there was some good pricing and just bottom line, you know, if you're making $10, you know, a dr before or a ride or whatever it's called. Um what what are you making now, is it the same or is it less?
Dustin Gawrylow
Well what you make is based on how long you're willing to drive and how selective you are in, in where you drive, when you drive those sort of things. If you, if you simply were to drive bar close, you know, every night of the week, three hours a night, you could still make, You know, probably close to $35 an hour in those hours exclusively. The problem is that it's great for part timers. The problem with Uber and Lyft has always been, it was never designed for full timers because in
order to make a full time living after these higher prices at the beginning went away, you would have to be driving 12 hours in Uber and probably another four or five hours on lift just to make, you know a daily pay because yes, you have hours where you're gonna make 35 50 $60 especially snowstorm time, you know, your prices go up, but that offsets the times when there's too many drivers out and you're only getting two rides an hour, making six bucks.
Jason Spiess
So, so
Dustin Gawrylow
it really, it's a law of averages. And, and if you're, if you know how to work the system, you can make it work for you, , you know, I, I've been, I've always been very picky about my hours about, you know how far I'm willing to drive between rides and so that I can minimize my gas costs and, and it's all about being strategic.
Jason Spiess
Most people I've talked to, they give up pretty quick once they, you know, get their first car bill or you know, something goes wrong with their car or you know, the oil change happens much quicker than they thought and all of a sudden, you know, that $100 oil change or $90 oil change that synthetic oil that can add up pretty quick if you're driving people around and things like that.
So there is, um, you know, there's pros and cons and you know, one of the things that you've said before is that it's a good supplement for your income. And there are a lot of people that hey, they need a second job, but they cannot go and commit X amount of hours at this time on someone else's schedule. So these types of the digital economy is designed for your time, which is nice. But as you know, it just it's kind of like when I sold real estate it was great except for when you work no one
else's. So you you had to work every weekend and you had to basically when people are off having fun, you had to work. So I didn't like that. So that's what a lot of this stuff kind of reminds me of. But this this bill HB 1381. What was the specifics behind that? Was it just the independent contractor versus employee? Was that what it basically was? Yeah.
Dustin Gawrylow
Yeah it was codifying and making permanent. The concept that these drivers would be considered independent contractors in the original bill, it had four stipulations you know basic independent contractor language, anybody who is self employed and done this type of thing knows knows what those the so called tests of the I. R. S. Are um in the labor Department and job service.
I mean I've been in a situation back in 2012 in my regular work I was I was working for Duane sands, Us Senate campaign. And and after the campaign was done the campaign manager in in Minnesota tried to file for unemployment even though we were all independent contractors and it resulted resulted in a lawsuit and we all had to go to court and testify that whether we whether or not we thought we were employees, the manager believed he was even though he signed a contract saying
otherwise. and and I said I'm absolutely a contractor because I got three other clients here. I don't and I don't do my work in any particular place. And and so these things end up being a big deal when it comes to businesses that have to do with employment law, if the government decided to go after you and and in Uber and Lives case, the government has been trying to go after them for a long time.
Jason Spiess
So then, okay, that's what I was gonna ask you is what does Uber and Lyft want? Do they want you as an employee or a 10 90? My my guess would be they want you as a 10 90 employee as long as they can. That would be my guess.
Dustin Gawrylow
They want they want 1099 independent contractors because they don't want to have to pay minimum wage and they don't have to want to be, they want to avoid.
Jason Spiess
you're talking about health and insurance, all kinds of stuff, right?
Dustin Gawrylow
Yeah. And they they want to avoid having to dedicate hours because when you, when you have employees, you have to have a dedicated schedule. And then and then that limits how many people can be in the system because you obviously can't hire more than you need. And so the system is based on the independent drivers being able to figure out what works best for them. Some people ...
Jason Spiess
similarities with the trucking industry because the trucking industry, you know, you're an independent contractor but you only work for one person. And oil and gas is like that too where you can be an independent contract. I was like that when I was 10 years old, I was an independent contractor for the fargo form, but they were my one master to the tune to where they actually told me where to bank, you know what I mean?
Like where to go and bank with my money as a an independent contractor. ... Me until I was like in my mid forties and I went, yeah, how did they do that? Like now, come on anyway. But so when I when I look at that, you know, is that really what's going on here? Is that, you know the four oh one K. Is the health care's um is that I'm sorry. So when you are an independent contractor and you do work for Uber and lift that type of thing and they, even if you're an independent contractor, can they
regulate how many hours you work like in trucking, If you're over 10 hours, they regulate your vehicle and it just goes down to 45 miles an hour. So you gotta pull over on the side of the road and that's why you see so many trucks on off ramps Because they can only go like 45 mph because their car is governed or it's regulated. What does that happen at all? Or is that even a conversation that kind of similarities between those two industries?
Dustin Gawrylow
Yes. Now in the first year there was not that then there was then at some point the 12 hour rule of you can only have your app on for 12 hours. Now at most people who are Uber and Lyft drivers, they circulate between the two apps. You know, they'll drop somebody off and then they'll turn on both apps and whichever gives them an order closer. Quickest is where they go, then turn the other apps off.
So you're, you're intermittent intermittently between the two apps and you've got 12 hours online time between those. But if you wanted to, You can, you can stretch that out to 24 hours because they're only counting the time that the app is on and you can turn on, you can turn it off and 10 minutes later when you're done with your next ride, turn it right back on and get a ride their turn together one off, you know, that sort of
thing. So there is limitations. It's 12 hours on each app. But because of the way every driver works the system, it's really a 24 hour limit, which is really no limit at all.
Jason Spiess
You
Dustin Gawrylow
have to have the offline,
Jason Spiess
you
Dustin Gawrylow
Have to be offline for six hours for it to reset?
Jason Spiess
Yeah. But if something happens, you know somebody gets injured there is a digital paper trail so to speak. That's okay. So that that's yeah, as long as there's a digital paper trail, a lot of people say go hang yourself, you know what I mean? It's like it's like with the I. R. S. Asks you did you by any Bitcoin last year? They already know the answer.
You can't lie. So anyways, um so let's let's get back to this Uber lift HB 13 81 which basically says we are going to create a law that says Uber and lyft drivers will be independent contractors in the state of North Dakota. No matter what happens federally. That's kind of the idea right? Or so nobody decides they want to become a new york or California and proactively su I don't know the state or or no, the state does the suing I guess.
Yeah. So the state would do the suing. But anyway, so this is to be preventative for some lawsuits that are already happening. Now when I did some research for this, I pulled up a Senate bill from last session, Senate bill 21 49 that had to do with this digital driving an Uber and stuff and with vaccine at the airport like like um there would be a higher tax at the airport now. this impacted over correct?
Dustin Gawrylow
It did it did and actually in 2019 was the first time that that the the Airport Authority Association in North Dakota came to the legislature asking for the ability to text rideshare and the legislature when they had enabled ride sharing 15. They had specifically stated that localities could not tax it, that it would be any taxes would be uniform statewide, which was a good idea.
You know, you don't, you don't want a bunch of different authorities in here making it complicated. The airport authority said, Well, you know, with Uber and Lyft, we're losing out on these parking fees because people don't park at the airport as much as they used to do anymore because why would you leave your car at the airport if you can get a ride each way for 12 bucks. And
Jason Spiess
is that, is that really why they finally figured out people stop paying at the pump and stop going in to buy their sneakers so they had to get their parking fee money. Oh my word. Okay. Sorry, I didn't realize that was the case. Like That's another example of being reactive by the way because the rest of the world that figure out the pain at the pump thing back in the 90s, but and
Dustin Gawrylow
And so in in 2019 and in 2021, neither Uber or Lyft had a lobbyist hired in North Dakota. And so I took it upon myself to lobby against those two bills and I testified as a uber lyft driver then as well. This session, I didn't realize that they had had hired anybody , to lobby for them professionally, but they did. And so I went into the , house bill 13 81 hearing thinking that I was going to be just the lone voice on this bill.
And as such, I I introduced an amendment that added just one provision to the test for independent contractor and that is quote that the independent transportation company driver as an independent contractor and not an employee of a transportation network, if the transportation network company does not prohibit the transportation network company driver from using a vehicle with an internal
combustion engine unquote. And the reason this is important is because both Uber and Lyft have announced that nationally they intend for their entire fleet to be all electric.
Jason Spiess
Alright, so you just took away the main event, let's do the main event now. And that is what you just said, little spoiler alert folks. But here at E S. G University we've been very excited because we felt like we've done a heck of a job educating people And one of those people that we've been working with is Dustin and he went in as he said and did this.
What is that testifying? Is that the testified? So what happened folks, is that Dustin went in and he testified based on eternal combustion engines under the S. Column of E. S. G. Not the E column, which is the emissions. He he went and lobbied on behalf of the people for the S. Column because it is very expensive to own an E. V. Car. And if you're gonna have an E.
V. Car that's part of your cost and if you're an independent contractor boy, how many how many Mcdonald's meals and how many rides do you have to do to pay for that E. V. Car? So this is really important for anybody out there in the E. S. G. World. That what Dustin did was he went in to the state capital and testified for E. S. G. Under the S. Column which is basically for the people.
That's how I'm looking at this dust. That is that you and N. And testified under the S. Column for E. S. G. Because you are saying that listen The average person has a combustion engine car and I get it eventually. We may not have combustion engine cars. But in the meantime Uber has come out and said they're gonna get rid of combustion cars with their drivers by the year 2030.
And I think 2040 is like the actual goal. The 2030 is the aggressive goal that's only six years away, seven years away. That's I don't know about you Dustin but I don't buy a new car every seven years I'd like to but sometimes I sometimes I don't and
Dustin Gawrylow
And in California they have said that they are going to mandate it, you know, in California, they say that they're not gonna allow anything but electric be sold after 2030 in New York City, they, they want to mandate that all Uber's enlists be electric by 2030. And so you know, this is 11 area that the legislators were not fully appraised of.
Which is the fact that in North Dakota in Uber driver, you're allowed to have a car that's up to 14 years old. In California, in Los Angeles, you can only have a four year old car in Houston. It's three years. So in these bigger cities, in these more liberal areas, they already require you to have a very new car. And in North Dakota they don't because there's, they already have problems finding people to drive period in a lot of cases and certainly who, who want to, you know, ruin a good
car. I mean for myself, 80% of the miles that I have driven for uber and lyft have been on second cars. I've, I've gone through a couple vans where I buy them for $3,000, put 20,000 miles on them and sell them.
Jason Spiess
And this has another um, Car shares and car rental apps to our, I forget some of the names, but there's one where you can basically rent a used car from somebody through an app, yeah, that's it, that's a tour oh and same thing where um, in some states it's older. You know, it's up to 12 years old that you can have a car because of just the sheer population numbers and some of those different things.
So, , to me this was a really important bill. HB 1381. , North Dakota Watchdog network, Dustin cover low. The lobbyist for the people shows up, , not paid by Uber. Not paid by Lyft as how many, how many rides have you done in your career? Do you think for Uber and Lyft,
Dustin Gawrylow
I've done over 4000 on uber and just about 29:00 on left.
Jason Spiess
So I would consider you probably the state's expert when it comes to Uber and lift. Is anybody else even come close? I have
Dustin Gawrylow
when it comes to the convergence of public policy and how it affects Uber and Lyft definitely there's nobody else anywhere close.
Jason Spiess
So was there anything in the bill from H H B 13 81 that had to do with E. S. G. Or making sure that combustion engines um, are in there cause this was a writer or an amendment right that you put in there after the bill was already constructed?
Dustin Gawrylow
Yes. Yes. I offered it up as an amendment and I was not in fact expecting the committee to jump all over it as quickly as they did. But they, they, they embraced it. And are
Jason Spiess
you kidding me? A democrat seconded a
Dustin Gawrylow
democrat seconded it. Yes. The only the lone vote against it was a republican that the only vote against the amendment was a republican and when it came time to to vote for the final bill, the the democrat seconded the motion for I do pass so that the amendment got a 12 to 1 do pass and then the bill as amended got a 13 0 do pass. They loved it. Now a lot of it is because they see it as a, as poking the eye of the big corporations that are trying to push electric cars.
But as you said, my my focus was on the driver projection. Now this is a two for this is killed two birds with one stone type of thing because this is a driver protection. It makes sure that there are not going to be people who rely on driving for Uber and Lyft in north Dakota and all of a sudden lose their income generating livelihood just because they don't have the right kind of engine in their car.
Jason Spiess
And like we've said here at E. S. G. University, this is not an E in the environmental social governance. This is a social, because not everybody can afford an electric vehicle. And in California Uber, if you have to own a vehicle that's four years old, that is an incredible payment or amount of money to invest for ride sharing for delivering donuts for you know what I mean?
I mean? That is incredible. It's only four years old. I mean that yeah so yeah good work on this bill. And um what's what's kind of the take away, what do you want people to take away from this?
Dustin Gawrylow
What I want people to take away is that, you know when we see these E. S. G. Type of of things going on, when when you see a corporation that really wants to embrace the environmental side, they're not taking into effect the the effect on the actual person is making that company run. And it it kind of goes, you know, the entire Republican opposition to E. S. G. And Green the green movement and climate change is that we should not diminish our own standard of living in order to take on
mandates that may or may not actually fix the problem. And this is a prime case of that because the company thinks that they're doing a good thing by by being green and pushing for electric vehicles. But at the end of the day at some point it's gonna be the very people that make their company work that are gonna be out in the cold, you know, in a car with no gas
ND House Adds Combustion Engine Amendment to Protect Uber and Lyft Drivers From "ESG Overreach"