Former Mayor of Bismarck John Warford has been thrust into a new leadership role, leading a professional and civil protest against Summit Carbon Solutions’ business practices, guaranteed government grants and a controversial carbon pipeline.
Former Mayor Warford joins Steve Bakken and Jason Spiess on SuperTalk 1270’s Talk of the Town on Tueday Feb 7.
Concerned citizens showed up in droves at the Burleigh County Commission Meeting (BCCM) Feb 6, 2023 to protest the proposed Summit Carbon Solutions pipeline project that would direct the carbon waste from 31 ethanol plants to North Dakota.
There are six ethanol plants in North Dakota, however, only one will use the pipeline and financial benefit - Tharaldson Ethanol. Tharaldson Ethanol is located in Casselton, ND, on the east side of the state about 20 miles west of Fargo.
In October, Summit Carbon Solutions filed its application for a siting certificate with the North Dakota Public Service Commission, with plans to capture carbon dioxide emissions from ethanol plants in five Midwestern states and pipe the CO2 to western North Dakota for permanent underground storage.
This ramped up the protests, town halls and opposition to the project as the citizen’s concerns were falling on deaf ears from the elected and appointed leaders in North Dakota.
At the BCCM, Eminent Domain was one of the main topics of discussion, but safety concerns, cost of training and how many other ways will Summit Carbon Solutions be subsidized by the state of North Dakota and citizens of Burleigh County.
“They’re (citizens) not gonna be calling FEMA or the state government or Carbon Solutions to help with a mass casualty event. They're gonna call us the fire department, they're gonna call you commissioners,” one citizen said. “It's part of their responsibility as installing this pipeline. They have to train the hospital staff and personnel and also first responders but and also part of the responsibility is have having employees in the state as first responders.”
The public meeting continued discussing the additional cost to the taxpayer of just having the Summit Carbon Solutions pipeline in the ground.
“The question is how many of those, how many of those employees are gonna be in the state once they finish this pipeline?” a citizen asked. “The questions are how big, how many, how many trainings are gonna be provided?”
The citizens even went a step further by indicating since the citizens are the ones who will be left with the emergency response and potential pipeline issues, they be included in the discussions with the North Dakota Public Service Commission going forward.
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tuned to talk of the town on super dock 12 70. Good morning. It is a tech Tuesday. We'll be talking with marlo Anderson coming up next hour he is in Las Vegas, we'll catch him also. We're gonna talk to Clarence over advice electronics. Super Bowl coming up right around the corner, yep. As long as the eagles don't win, I'm gonna be happy Vikings, Denver, neither one of them are there and those are my two teams.
So, but as long as the eagles lose, I don't care who wins the Super Bowl. Um, tv time. So we're gonna talk to Clarence at fights electronics because a lot of people buying new TVs, what's out there, What do you need to know for purchasing a new television for the big game. And then of course we'll talk with marlo Anderson on this tech Tuesday. But one of the things we're following here very closely on the program because it definitely, uh, involves bismarck and man down to a certain
degree because you know, we both live in the same valley and there's some safety concerns, uh, concerning a proposed pipeline from Summit Carbon Solutions, big meeting Burleigh County Commission last night and a lot of people showed up, a lot of people were there and one of the people that were there and that's really been leading the safety aspect for the community.
Uh, former bismarck mayor john war for joining us in the studio this morning along with Jason species. We've got him online this morning as well. You can catch the crude life on sunday mornings, 10 am on super talk 12 70 mayor, Welcome to the show
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
steve. Thanks for having me on today. We're glad to be here.
Steve Bakken
So I wanted to start last night and this is something I was following when I was mayor, I knew this was coming and was, had my guard up against it. Uh, the reason I was opposed to this was um, not as much on the safety side of things, but the setback that involved, the safety side of things. Uh,
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
it's
Steve Bakken
In the middle of Bismarck's growth plate. I mean people kind of scoffed a little bit, but Bismarck's in an opportunity in future growth in 25 years. We could be bigger than fargo. That means we're growing and we're growing very quickly. We're doing that now, but we could be on an accelerated curve then you want to pop a uh hazardous C. 02 pipeline right down in the middle of that growth plate and now you're stuck.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Absolutely, bismarck is gonna grow north and it's going to go northeast and uh put up on the screen last night and it's really available a map that actually shows, you know where the pipeline is. And by the way, we have not chosen where the pipeline is going, someone has chosen where they want to route this pipeline.
Steve Bakken
Yeah, they didn't work with the landowners, they didn't talk to the landowners, didn't work with the Public Service commission up on the front side of this. And what's the best route for this, they just came in and go, here's the line on the map and this, we're gonna shove this down your throat
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
absolutely needed. And if you look at it, it's about a mile a mile and a half, just outside of the E. T. A. The extra territorial area of the city of bismarck and it goes right now, currently right through a real residential area. Many, many homes are impacted. And if you look at the 911 map all the dots on the map that are adjacent to where the
pipeline is. You know, these are individual homes out there. These are uh small farms, we're not talking about uh you know, a big uh you know, big corporate area there, this is uh ...
Steve Bakken
you know, and the thing is, it's it's in the footprint of where bismarck is going to grow. I pushed a lot of development to the east because we can't continue to grow one direction from a municipal side of things. You want to talk about infrastructure is expensive, growing in one direction. You have to grow concentric lee and we have to grow east and now we've got that pipeline that's in the way.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Absolute. And I will, you know, in full disclosure, I am an affected landowner. Um I, you know, have owned a ranch um in that area for 43 years and this pipeline is cited to go across a mile of my property, it's a pristine, it's a beautiful pasture. Um and um it's, you know, my concern is, is that this is a private company that wants to come and take my land and um I have a problem with it.
Uh if you look at what is the common good that someone has, we can talk about that if you want, but there's not a lot of public good for it unless you want to sequester carbon.
Jason Spiess
I have a question and it's kind of more of a comment and a question because we've been covering this a little bit at E S G you dot org And last night's commission meeting with the transcript is available there for people if they'd like to go take a look and read. But we got an email that was really interesting actually because I think what's lost on a lot of people in this whole Pipeline, eminent domain and all these different things is this is for ethanol, correct? This is 100% ethanol.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Absolutely. If you look at that, this is uh, you know, some of carbon solutions is putting in a, this is a 2000 mile pipeline from roughly Ames Iowa through Iowa Minnesota, South Dakota and then through much of North Dakota, curling very close to the city of bismarck, the only metropolitan area on the route. Uh, and then across the river and then over in the Oliver and Mercer County where they are uh, sequestering in other, in other words, putting the carbon dioxide down into the
pore space there. But if you look at, you know, what is, what is the benefit uh, for it? It is all for ethanol plants. There are 32 ethanol plants that will utilize this pipeline taking their carbon from their processing, 31 of which are outside of North Dakota, there's only one ethanol plant in North Dakota. That's Harrelson over Castleton.
So we have the benefit of this is to 31 ethanol plants outside of North Dakota, one in North Dakota so that they can have green ethanol. So in other words, if you take the carbon away from the waste product during the processing at the plant, it's the same ethanol, but it makes it green and then if it's green ethanol, then the ethanol can be sold in California Oregon and other places that accept the green.
So uh, this is a private company um and it's, you know, it's profit comes from that, but but there there is and I've said publicly that it's a bit of a house of cards that they're built on. So if you look at another aspect of it, so you have a large corporate corn farmers that sell their corn to the ethanol plants and they have many types of subsidies and price supports the ethanol itself gets um, a subsidy from the federal government, but the big one is that Q 45 ethanol tax credit or
excuse me, the tax credit for the carbon dioxide that summit plans on using um, up until the end of the year, this was uh, they were to be paid. Um this is their financial model of $50 per metric ton of CO two that goes through the line and they're planning on between 10 and 20 million metric tons of C. 02 through that line each year.
And so you know, $50 you do the math for 20 million. Uh you can see what it is. But what's really interesting Was through President Biden's inflation reduction act. And I have a real hard time figuring out how this is an inflation reduction. Um, with that, that $1.7 trillion dollar bill
Steve Bakken
calling my cat my dog. There.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
There you go. Yeah. This, this, uh, this, uh, subsidy went from $50 to $85 a ton. And you, you know, this is so $85 times 20 million metric tons is $1.7 billion. This is what some, it's, uh, revenue of each year. So it's, it's built, you know, all on subsidies from the corn farmer to the ethanol to the Q 45 credits. Um, it's all built on subsidies, your tax dollars, my tax dollars. And I have a problem with that.
Steve Bakken
We've got another question from Jason speeds after the break. Also, you can catch the crude life sunday mornings 10 AM right here on super 100.12 70. Great article at E. S. G. You dot org. If you want to check that out. Uh, and the minutes from last night's meeting, Burleigh County meeting last night, we're gonna get former bismarck mayor john war for his take on the outcome of that meeting.
What, what he heard in the room last night and what he heard coming out of that meeting talking with landowners and this actually started with an eminent domain issue with north Dakota landowners. We'll get into that a little bit more as well. This is talk of the town on Super top 12 70. I'm your host it back along with Jason species from the crude life on Super top 12 70 on a tech Tuesday.
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tuned to talk of the town on super dock 12 70. Good morning. It is a tech Tuesday. I'm still back in. Your host will talk with marlo Anderson coming up the end of next hour. Also Clarence over at feist electronics, talking little tech leading up to the Super Bowl that's coming up next hour. But pressing issue within the bismarck mandan community Summit carbon solutions pushing a pipeline and not pushing well, they're not playing nice in the sandbox with north Dakota landowners
and, and that's an affront to property rights in North Dakota joining us on the program this morning, former bismarck mayor john war furred and john, you received a letter that was rather intimidating from, uh, from Summit Carbon Solutions when, when you start talking property rights and we've long had a tradition of working with property owners and landowners when it comes to, um, sightings through PSC for power lines because we're a hub of energy and, and
getting that energy out to market is important. We've worked with them and, and we've worked with landowners pipelines as well, but this isn't the way they've approached that.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Not really, I'm definitely a private property rights advocate for sure. Um and uh you know, it was kind of interesting the way I was first notified uh in the fall of 21, I received a letter that were citing a pipeline through your property north and east of Bismarck Um I um indicated to a summit that I was not interested in participating. Uh and then on July 11,
Steve Bakken
Now, question I've got to ask is did they actually send out surveyors onto your property without your permission? Because that's been a concern for a lot of landowners. Is someone was just sending people out to survey property and do assessing. Okay, I'm a hunter, I don't get to go on somebody's land without permission, but they were doing that.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Absolutely. They were going out there, the gates were left open, um Trespassing on people's land without their consent. And you know, what's interesting. Um it came up actually at the Berkeley County meeting last night, is the surveyors that were used were not North Dakota certified surveyors. These are people from outside of North Dakota that were coming in and surveying it. Um I did not have any any requests for surveying until July 11, 2022.
Um and I'll just received uh and they asked for permission to survey the land. I'll read the last uh line that they said in the paragraph, they said if we have not received an executed permission form or other response from you within 10 days of the date of this letter. And this was July 11, 2022 somewhat will be forced to explore alternative means for accessing your property. And I look at that as a threat
Steve Bakken
that's not even veiled,
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
right? Yeah. So basically the first thing I did is I went out and locked the gates and uh and I
Steve Bakken
sat as a landowner in North Dakota that you got to do that.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
It is and I I just felt intimidated. Um I I had I felt at that time that I needed to hire a legal counsel to protect me. But what really gets me is I I really feel sorry for the retirees, the people, you know all out in the rural residential area who are impacted by this pipeline. I really feel bad for these retirees. You know, living on you know, fixed income, this is there, you know, your your your home is your your palace, so to speak.
And you know, you know people's dreams and hopes are out there and you know, a lot of people cannot afford to defend themselves and they just roll over and you know sign the survey agreement and let it happen because they have really no alternative. And so um you know, I I really feel how the the private landowner is being trodden over by the survey aspect of it. And then also the eminent domain side on getting access to the property to put an easement through various parts of the
countryside to put in the pipeline itself. So yeah, it's, it's uh, it's a very large concern and it should be a large concern to everyone in our community that are our home is not sacrosanct that our home, the land that we own can be essentially run roughshod over by a private company
Steve Bakken
for profit, for
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
profit. ...
Jason Spiess
Well what's interesting to me by this Jason space and uh, I appreciate you coming in to talk about this very articulately. Might I add, um, this is in my opinion, one of the more remarkable journalistic stories that this state has ever encountered. And what I mean by that is I wasn't originally gonna cover this. I was just helping out the north Dakota Watchdog network and then after watching your presentation back in november 21st and several other surveyors and landowners, I
started watching this a little more closely because steve, you brought up a great point about the, the ruthlessness. Well, I started hearing that word and as a reporter, I have a very hard time writing that down in documentation. But then lo and behold when you start hearing stories like this from multiple people that is the actual Webster def definition of ruthless and in today's day of sports shouting and everything else.
That word now is lost and it becomes political and what I'm telling people out there know this is actual ruthless behavior. And my question here is, is multiple from a journalistic standpoint, number one, I didn't realize the ethanol debate was settled. Number two, it appears to me, an oil regulator is lobbying for ethanol subsidies. Number three, you're right about the inflation act. I didn't realize spending more to get in debt was a way to get out of inflation.
But apparently there's no question there either. I'm just lifting a few off the top of my head from a journalistic standpoint, but I have a question for you, the way this sounds, it sounds like the deal is already done. Like the, the way that summit is acting is like they already have the okay from everybody. Is that, is that the way this is? I mean, am I missing something here?
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Well, I, I think you're, you know, you're portraying it the way that they want to portray it. I have met a couple of times with some IT folks and uh, they're paid lobbyists, They don't live in bismarck, but uh, you know, they're a pretty letting us bunch. Um, Burleigh County who's working on an ordinance last night, the safety or ordinance and then the Burleigh County planning Commission will be looking at setbacks and other types of zoning regulations.
Um, they like, I think six other, uh, county commissions all along the pipeline route that have enacted ordinances fully expect to be sued and uh, you know, I think that, uh, if you look at uh you know a resident in in North Dakota are are real basic government even before our city commission is our our county commission. And if you're out in the county, if you're
Steve Bakken
before
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
that townships before that if you're outside of the E. T. A. Then it's all Burleigh County or in my my situation not in township, interestingly enough, just as a sidebar um you know, talking about, you know not in township, uh not in school, this is a functioning school. Um Little country school like Apple Creek school in an open school. Um It's a functioning school out in north east bismarck.
Most of you have never even heard of it. Um But it's about a little over a half mile from this pipeline and I have three grandchildren to go to school there. There are between 30 and 40 kids that go there. And if there's a pipeline leak on my property with a south wind uh you know this C. 02 gas is going to be up at not in school a half mile away in two or three minutes.
Steve Bakken
Well maybe one of the places we want to define this a little bit different is this is different than an oil pipeline or a natural gas pipeline because the C. 02. It reacts different. It's not um it's extremely hazardous and extremely high pressure and an extremely large line. So if there's a blowout, you're gonna have a bigger consequence to that plus C. +02 heavier than air, it's gonna settle into valleys and settle into places that uh, it displaces oxygen and that's not a good
thing for either livestock or humans. Um, so you don't want to be downwind of anything like this, but citing this next populous areas and, and they've gone ahead and done the sighting on this, have you had any conversations other than on the county level or with the city level with bismarck a little higher up the food chain with the commerce or the governor's office raising some concerns because it's my understanding the governor's office is promoting this.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
I've attempted to reach out, um, but have not been successful on, you know, talking to any, you know, higher ups, so to speak any other, you know, any other people I've talked to legislators about this. Um, but that's the highest level that I've reached out to. You know, what's kind of interesting is that, you know, with uh, you know, this private pipeline that someone's doing. Um, you know, they, this is their first pipeline.
Um, you know, some, it originally started off as kind of an egg company promoting corn and down in Iowa and then with these tax subsidies are available, they formed this business model and uh, teamed up with the ethanol industry, you know, ethanol was, it was the first, You know, about 10 years ago when the subsidy started this is the kind of the first that was the green new deal 10 years
Steve Bakken
ago. My rules five years after five years stand on your own two ft are you know, subsidies and mandates your precluding private innovation. So if you have to subsidize or mandate something which is a subsidy, you get a bad business model and the corn industry is going to figure that out at some point, especially where you're looking at things going with electric vehicles or other alternative fuel sources.
You've got a diminishing market space and and that's the other thing that they don't really understand when it comes to the corn. So and ethanol of course the £800 gorilla in the room in north Dakota, just like Iowa south Dakota, a lot of places we're talking with mayor, john war furred, former bismarck mayor concerning summit carbon solutions pipeline.
Also Jason speeds from the crude life will come back after the break more discussion and I want to find out about last night's meeting. I want to get the details to take away from Mayor War furred from last night's Burleigh County Commission meeting.
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Many
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other counties have gone through this as well. Emmons County most recently put down some different protocols concerning pipelines as well. We'll find out more about that when we come back. This is talk of the town on super talk 12 70
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to talk of the town on super dock 12 70 I'm your host, Stephen Hawking on a tech Tuesday. We'll talk with Clarence feist from feist electronics coming up next our uh, Super Bowl coming up this weekend, big time for people buying televisions. Also, we'll talk with our guru of geek marlo Anderson, he's coming up next our as well live from las Vegas.
We'll find out what he's doing in las Vegas this week. This is talk of the town on a tech Tuesday. I'm steve botkin Jason speeds from the crude, you can catch a crude life, sunday mornings, 10 am right here on super top 12 70. Also, if you haven't done so check out E S G University at E S G you dot org. Great article concerning our guest this morning and the topic at hand, which is summit carbon solutions pipeline.
Big meeting last night at the Burleigh County Commission table and a lot of people showed up in the room concerning eminent domain safety. Um, you know, it's, it's a little ironic that the ones that are concerned about the growth of bismarck are those that live out in the county, uh, which is another interesting facet to this as well, which we'll get into a little bit more um, in the studio with this former bismarck mayor john war furred, john, one of the things I I had a question
about is your takeaway from last night. So those that did not see the meeting and I strongly suggest, go to Dakota media access, go online, go to E S G you dot org. Watch the meeting from last night. If you have a concern about summit Carbon solutions and their tactics frankly, um, in eminent domain safety growth of bismarck, uh, those that are affected by it in the county.
But you were there, you spoke last night quite elegantly, you're, you're kind of the figurehead for those who are rallying against uh, the eminent domain side, the safety and all of this. Um, your takeaway from the meeting last night. A little synopsis of what took place.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Well, you know, thanks a lot steve, you know, it's uh, I don't know if I want to be called the figurehead the tip of the spear, but it's almost
Steve Bakken
by default. Yeah, I mean, you've stepped up in the past, former mayor bismarck, your resident out uh in the county. Yeah, sorry, those that are born to lead wind up leading that they want to or not, sometimes I
Jason Spiess
was gonna say some people are just born to lead, I
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
guess. Yeah, so first of all, I have to take my hats off to the Burleigh County Commission folks, I mean, these uh you know, all these commissioners, they they're getting it uh they get the eminent domain side, they get the safety side, we focus on safety last night, I'll talk about that in just a minute, but they also can, you know, they're they're focusing on the growth of uh the impeding of the growth of not only Burleigh county but bismarck.
So they're there to sort of efforts that are going through Burleigh County, how they're helping the citizens and remember everybody in bismarck is a resident of Burleigh County,
Steve Bakken
so yeah,
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
they do. Right, and so uh there last night was the focus on safety and the ordinance last night that had the first reading, there will be a second reading and then hopefully a pass on that, that was all about safety, I'll talk about that in just a second, The other is through Burleigh County planning and that will be a
Wednesday night and they'll start working on the zoning and I'd like to encourage folks to show up for that as well to show support for the Burleigh County Planning Commission,
Steve Bakken
that'll
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
be, yeah, that'll be right down at the tom baker room at
Steve Bakken
some point, that room is not going to be big enough,
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
right, so last night, um the Burleigh County Commission took up the safety aspect of it, it was a nearly packed room. Um there were, it was a public hearing and uh you know what, I opened up my uh sort of my comments were that, you know, it's almost philosophical and that is and and steve, you know, you know, having led the city of bismarck for four years yourself, I think one
of the prime responsibilities of elected, um you know, commissioners in counties and in cities, um their primary role is for the health and the safety of the citizens and
Steve Bakken
public safety. That's
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
beyond
Steve Bakken
that, the responsibilities of a municipality, whether it's the county township, city state, it's public safety and it's fire, police, water, roads and sewer. And I've made that very, that's your job and to do it as economically as possible, that's your job.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Absolutely, and that's exactly why it just falls right into this, this hazardous pipeline. Um it falls right into the health and safety of the citizen and I don't know if we want to go into, you know, all of the aspects of it, but you know, the the idea thing, the
Jason Spiess
one thing I did want to bring up, actually, sorry to interrupt, but you guys are bringing up a great point, which is that this is another kind of invisible tax, if you will, that gets put on the local communities. I was watching that video last night and the fire, the Fire Department and the Sheriff's and all these different training that is going to be needed. Those were great questions.
The individuals that were bringing up who's gonna pay for that, is there gonna be people here, you know, that is going to be located in the hospital because if there's a problem, they're not gonna call summit, they're not gonna call fema. No, they're gonna call you guys locally. That was an excellent point that was brought up in last night's meeting.
Steve Bakken
You know, we went through some of that during the oil boom too because one of the things that I you know, having an E. M. S. Background, one of the things that I always keep in on was what were the small town hospitals dealing with and what they were dealing with? They were not prepared for.
Um I was just watching an article on on the news this morning about firefighters wanting more training, needing more training because of electric batteries. People are keeping these little electric scooters and things and they're blowing up. Uh so the technologies that
Jason Spiess
they
Steve Bakken
need, the training
Jason Spiess
North Dakota has like an 85 to 90% volunteer fire department. So now we're going to ask them to do more volunteer work that could be more training and etcetera. So we're gonna ask the businesses to take away from their lead employees and their natural born leaders,
Steve Bakken
what's the cost of rural firefighters and rural fire departments and the counties and townships
Jason Spiess
totally and you know, as well as I do in a lot of these smaller communities and these in these communities, it is a natural born leaders that are for businesses and small business owners that are your volunteer fire department too. So it's it's a double dip if you will.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
So, you know, that
Jason Spiess
was a great point last
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
night, really seems ironic to me that, you know, all of the in fact there was no no dissenting. Everybody that was in that room spoke in favor of the ordinance. And it seems, you know, kind of almost ironic to me that the citizens uh in Burleigh County um have asked for an ordinance for safety from this pipeline. The pipeline doesn't provide safety for the citizens.
The citizens are looking on their grassroots government to protect them. We had some impassioned, you know, people, you know, a couple of ladies last night, one lady, uh she burst into tears. This was her, her family land and they were taking, they wanted to take her land and she said uh it's been in our family than longer than anyone that's been in this room.
And and it seems to me that um you know, we we had to ask for, and this is what's in the ordinance. We had to ask for a public safety plan. You think that they would have a public safety. We we asked for an emergency action plan, you know, what's gonna happen when rural fire comes out. We asked for an emergency response plan. We want to have a plan to protect the citizens because it's not necessarily if, but when there will be a leak on these pipelines, you need to you know provide for the
worst case scenario. What would happen? We also asked to have studies to show where if there is a fracture on a pipeline or a leak and where is this plume of heavier than air carbon dioxide going to go well downhill, but it's also gonna go downwind. You know, what are the implications of the plume? I said last night um their university studies that show that the that if you have a huge break um one of the the plumes can go for miles and I said uh Silver Ranch, silver Ranch school year,
within four miles of this. Uh you should be concerned you know as well, is anybody within a few miles of this pipeline? Um a number of the speakers last night talked about the about the starter Shia Mississippi spill and it's kind of interesting Um this uh this spill or this, this leak was in 2020 and um they had to evacuate 200 people and 50 people were hospitalized. Do you know what the population of Mississippi is?
Steve Bakken
I do because I watched the meeting last night, 41,
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
41 people. And so I mean if you just translate if you look at that map that I put up there last night um with all of the residences and if you look at the bismarck Burleigh metro area. It's probably 100,000 people. I mean how are they going to evacuate people? Um If if a town of 41 has 200 evacuees, what about a metro area? Uh
Steve Bakken
It's a little differently, it's not like an oil pipeline that spills onto the ground or into the ground. This is not that type. You're taking a look at what's going on in Ohio right now with the train derailment which you can consider a train of pipeline. Just a moving pipeline. Look at the evacuations that had to take place with that.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Absolutely and so um it was kind of interesting at the end of the meeting, one of the speakers after the public hearing was kind of closed but uh you know the chairperson she opened it back up to let this guy uh speak. Um He had his his son was an engineering student at N.
D. S. U. And he had calculated um the valves on this pipeline or 20 miles apart and it's a 24 inch line. He had calculated how much um see a liquid C. 02 was in this pipeline. It was I think 5500 and 50 million cubic feet are in in between the
Steve Bakken
12. Right?
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
And uh you know just you know and then to depressurize this and to have this um hazardous ceo to disseminate around our community. Um We are so grateful to Burleigh County. I'm hoping that they will pass this ordinance because we need protection as citizens.
Steve Bakken
We're talking with former bismarck mayor john war furred landowner being affected by the summit carbon solutions C 02 pipeline and very impassioned it landowners at the Burleigh County Commission meeting last night when we come back more with mayor war furred and Jason speaks from the crude life, Jason's got a great article. You can catch all the information at the E S G you dot org. E S G University. This is talk of the town on Super Talk 12 70.
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Talk of the town. ... Welcome back to talk of the town on Super Talk 1270.
Steve Bakken
Talk of the town on super 12 70 I'm your host and this is talk of the town on a tech Tuesday Clarence, vice marlo Anderson coming up next our Jason speeds with me from the crude life. You can catch that sunday morning 10 a.m. Right here on super duck 12 70 also E S. G University E S G you dot org. Great article concerning last night's Burleigh County Commission meeting and in the studio with us uh, Mayor john war furred uh former mayor of bismarck kind of the tip of the spear concerning
Summit carbon solutions and uh, john one of the things that has been promised from the summit side of things uh they put a lot out there. It's like the county's gonna get this, the county's gonna get, that are the things the county needs.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Well, you know, if you look at the brochures that were sent and I have actually holding one of my hand and the two main uh, benefits that they're talking about are the new property taxes that will be paid on the footprint of this pipeline through Burleigh County. They're talking about $300 million dollars a year. Um, that that number pales in comparison to the amount of the decrease in the land value um, of this pipeline that will impact Bergen County.
Steve Bakken
Well, and the other side of it, they're promising a lot of jobs that then just, we don't have a job issue in North Dakota. We have a workforce issue in North Dakota. So where are you going to get those employees
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Right there, where they're going to come from elsewhere? And they're talking 11,000 jobs?
Steve Bakken
Yeah, it's like, okay, we're gonna get the workforce. A lot of people moving to North Dakota. I probably not temporary workers, but they factor in those temporary Jason. You had one more quick question before we hit the break?
Jason Spiess
I did, but it's kind of a complex one. So I'm not sure if you can do it in a nutshell real quick. But the other fascinating part from a journalistic standpoint of the story is that the landowners want eminent domain due process because it sounds like they figured out a workaround.
Steve Bakken
Well, that's public servant. Yeah and that's getting it deemed as a common
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
carrier, right? This is a legal maneuver that will be that will take place at the public service commission to declare this private pipeline a common carrier which then makes it um the same treatment as a public utility that's for the common good. And so then they can utilize eminent domain.
Steve Bakken
You know? And the other side of that too is when you're looking at the E. S. G. Side of things, uh, you know, Jason, we get about 30 seconds, but how quickly before E. S. G. Becomes or C. 02 because of the E. S. G. Capacity that whether you buy into it or not. Um, they can force it through that way. So I didn't even think that
Jason Spiess
the ethanol debate.
Steve Bakken
Yeah. So uh fascinating. Make sure you check out E. S. G. University E. S. G. You dot org. This is talk of the town on Super Talk 12 70. I'm your host debacle along with Jason. Clarence from fights electronics coming up next on Super Talk 12 70. Mayor Warfare. Thanks for coming in. How do people get a hold of you.
Former Bismarck Mayor John Warford
Uh, they could get hold I think really good clearinghouses with Elliot Huggins at Elliott at uh D. R. C. Info dot com. That's uh Elliot Huggins is doing a lot of the
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tech Tuesday. Good
Speaker 1
morning. I'm your host
Steve Bakken
bacon and you know we do have a football game coming up this weekend. I've heard uh not that I pay attention because the Vikings, the broncos aren't really in it but as long as the eagles don't win I'm I'm good but there is a Super Bowl game coming up this weekend and that means a lot of people are out buying brand new televisions for their Super Bowl parties joining us.
Clarence, feist feist electronics Clarence, this is tv time. I mean people are out buying TVs it's like right before christmas and it's Super Bowl. Super Bowl is like the holy grail of buying a new tv for some reason
Speaker 5
it is you know that's there's only two real big times of the year for buying televisions and the push is of course are around the thanksgiving time for the christmas season and then Super Bowl time. So the manufacturers know that and these are the times of years they try and get you the best deal now actually this time of year is probably just a little bit better because televisions typically change their models in the spring of the year. So the manufacturers really want to get rid of
some of the models that they currently have and the inventory that they have made up and so they put some extra discounts on some of the sets that they have large supplies out, which is great for the consumer because you know, right now we want to get a new T. V. So we can have something to watch the Super Bowl on and uh, you know, some good quality to impress all the folks that are coming over to your party. So this is a great time,
Steve Bakken
you know, and that's the big thing is on the technology to, because there's always improvements, There's always some, even if it's incremental, there's always improvements to models and well this is the time of the year that they try to move those older models so they can make room for the new technology, what's out there this year?
Speaker 5
Well, you know, one of the things that I was really impressed with on the current models that we have when we got those in just last year in the spring, we had a model, it was kind of the middle of the road model and uh it was a great, great television for the price. But the higher end model with the extra, the extra circuitry and it really shined well, they changed that this year and the higher end model, they started going to many LED technology, which is absolutely incredible.
But what they ended up doing is they took the technology from the years prior, um, high end and they put it in the middle of the road set. So when we turned on those sets that we were expecting to see kind of a decent picture, but nothing really fabulous, it just wowed us. So every year they come out with something that's gonna actually really wow you.
And this year, of course they've got some technology that they're coming out with their improving the mini alley technology and they also have what they call micro L. E. D. S and that's something that's brand new as well in the market. They've had it under development for a few years, but that's something they're starting to bring out into this year's product line as well.
But with everything, the new technology costs quite a bit more than what you paid in previous years when it's brand new, you pay through the nose for the technology and as time moves on, that tends to drop in price. So that's where we're really able to get some good deals on some fabulous televisions in the marketplace right now.
Steve Bakken
Okay, so as a consumer, I'm dumb uh, explain to me the difference between the mini and the micro. So the mini has been around for a little bit. But what exactly is mini led versus Micro Ellie,
Speaker 5
right. I mean, it is physical size of the L E. D. So, you know, in most televisions today we're backlighting in LCD screen with some L E. D. S. And for years we've had maybe just six strips of L E. D. S. They maybe had 10 single L E D s on each strip. So there weren't a lot of lights light in the back of the screen. So what they do is they put a lot more lights, they make the lights a lot smaller, they make them very bright and they put a lot more lights behind the screen.
So on the Mini LED, you have hundreds of lights behind the screen lighting, the picture, the picture. So what you can do is control the brightness level of these areas of lights. So that if you're calling for black in a certain area, you can turn down that level. They do this all behind the scenes. If you're calling for a bright white in a certain area, they turn up those L E D s.
Now you can realize that the finer, you can control those those lights, the better the picture quality is going to be, the more detail that you're going to have on the picture. So let's introduce Micro LED technology. Now, instead of hundreds of lights, let's put thousands of lights behind that screen and control even finer areas of the picture and that's going to give you even better detail and what you try and achieve with a picture on the television set is as black of a or no light
when you have those areas that call for delight as you possibly can and then as bright as you can in the white areas to give you that contrast. Which actually is what you see as a very vivid, very detailed picture. And that's what the mini and Micro Led technology is supposed to do. It's one of the shortcomings of LCD televisions is L. C. D. Doesn't totally block the light as you come through there.
So if you've got he's coming through and shining through an L. C. D. Material instead of seeing black there's a little bit of light that always leaks through the black areas. You've got to see Grace. Oh so this really improves the picture. That's basically what those technologies are trying to achieve. So
Steve Bakken
it's more along the contrast line. So like if you're watching a horror film and they've got a house but you can always see if something's off in the shadows it hasn't really come up really clear but that improves that right.
Speaker 5
It really does. And if you ever notice that you're watching some of the lower end televisions and if you look in the black areas you see a lot of garbage or a lot of
Steve Bakken
fuzzy stuff.
Speaker 5
Yeah fuzzy stuff. Exactly.
Steve Bakken
It's like I'm watching a ghost
Speaker 5
show, I'm
Steve Bakken
watching a ghost movie. I'm like, is that a ghost or is that this the screen?
Speaker 5
Yeah, exactly. And it's just not something that was supposed to be there, you know, you want as accurate a picture as you get it. So that's what you try to do.
Steve Bakken
Uh, mini versus micro. Okay, we got that down as far as what the carryover technology is from last year, you mentioned some of the sliding down of improvements on the higher end have gone into the middle end, but I really want to get into what's out there for deals and we'll do that when we come back from the break.
We're talking to Clarence over at feist electronics, uh, our guru of uh television, everything Sony over at feist electronics downtown bismarck. We'll talk to him more when we come back. This is talk of the town on a tech Tuesday on Super Talk. 12
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70. This is talk of the town tech Tuesday. We'll be talking with marlo Anderson coming up in just a little bit our guru of geek, of course, national Day calendar and he's in Las Vegas. We'll find out what he's doing over there as well. Uh big game coming up this weekend. Super Bowl, which means it is television time, a lot of people buy new TVs for the Super Bowl and well, there's a lot of technology that goes into televisions were talking to clearance over at feist electronics and you
know, we talked about the Micro versus the mini and okay contrast just say contrast because I get that. Um, what about the Q L E D O L E D explain the difference in those because I'm clueless.
Speaker 5
Yeah, there's a lot of acronyms out there, some of them are getting acronym, but let's talk about Q L E D and O L E D. They sound very, very similar. And I think that was kind of done on purpose because Samsung actually named Q led to make a little bit of a confusion made people think maybe it's an L E D O L E D is an organic LED. And what that is is the direct lighting, television.
And so back in the day when we had the old picture, two TVs, we used to have colored phosphors on the front of the screen and an electron beam would excite those phosphorus. And it was like you saw the light directly on the front of the screen, which meant that no matter where you stood off to the side of the television, the picture was really nice and bright and clear and you had a very good quality picture.
And what happened with LCD TVs is you no longer have that because we're backlighting the television. So we know what we're doing is we're changing with led back to that same type of, of a picture. So old LED every pixel that you see on the screen is an actual LED light colored light that is directly lit so that no matter where you're standing in front of the television set, you're going to see a very, very accurate picture of.
The other advantage with the O L E D television is if it calls for black, like we were talking about earlier, if it calls for black, they just turn off that LED you get true black. If it calls for white turned on that led to a nice bright white and you're going to get that white picture and that gives you the highest contrast of any television that you possibly find in the market.
Steve Bakken
Okay, so so black is actually a color and there's a lot of different shades of black but true black, absolute black is absent of any light or any color. And that's what this technology does.
Speaker 5
Exactly. That's what this technology is absolutely perfect for. Plus the fact that you have every pixel is a light that means that there's no glowing around bright objects. You don't have the lights around it glowing. You have just those pixels lit very very accurate
Steve Bakken
picture ...
Speaker 5
that no halos. That's just ideal. So there are some shortcomings of this LED LED technology and one of the shortcomings is the brightness level of the picture. It's not quite as bright as you can achieve with some of the standard LED television. So it's great for a movie room or a room where you have controlled lighting. But if you're putting it in a living room, wanting to watch it in the daytime, you have a lot of light, sunlight coming into the windows, you might not want to move
into that technology if you can control lighting a little bit, it's actually perfect. Now let's talk a little about a bit about the Q L E D. Because that there's kind of a common theme between those two. The Q LED uses the standard backlit LED technology, but what they do is they put an extra layer on the screen of a material that actually lights when the Q LED back lights hit it.
And what it does, it actually glows and produces a colored light, kind of similar to what an O L E D television does. So that's that quantum dot that you see, what that does is it gives you that ability to uh very simulate the LED technology with an LED Tv. So it's an extra layer that actually improves the Now, what they have done with the old LED televisions to try and improve its brightness is on the higher end televisions they have what they call Q D O L E D technology, which is quantum
dot organic. L E D s. And that also puts that extra layer on top of the LED technology to give you a brighter picture. So you can kind of uh, pay a little extra and get that brighter picture on an O. L. E. D. Television kind of alleviate some of the shortcomings of that technology, but it's just absolutely fantastic. It's just a matter of how much do you want to spend?
Steve Bakken
So if you don't have a theater room and you want a good tv for the house and you could be watching it during the day, you could be watching a night. You don't have the best curtains up to control light. What where should you go as a consumer?
Speaker 5
So as a consumer, those, we always suggest standard Led television sets. Now, whether you want to take the Quantum Led, which, you know Samsung's named it. Quantum Led Sony also has the same technology incorporated in there, try luminess sets so it doesn't make any difference. But as you increase in price, you're going to also increase in brightness level.
So you kind of have to decide what's best for you. I usually go with the middle of the line LED television technology and whatever brand you're looking at because that's going to give you a super nice bright picture with good contrast and you're not going to have to spend a fortune to get it.
Steve Bakken
Okay, so I know you're a little Sony bias, but there's some other good sets out there and this time of the year we see a lot of advertising with a lot of the big box stores. The Costco Sam's Club's the best buys um all kinds of deals going on out there. But what differentiates the Sony's is the ability to work on them because a lot of those TVs that you might buy that biggest brightest bestest sale item once it goes south you can't work on it. So you're buying a disposable product.
Speaker 5
Right? That's exactly right. So you do have there are some good brands out there. You know the top three brands in our mind happen to be the Sony Samsung and LG. They're all good manufacturers so I wouldn't be afraid to recommend any of those products. However if you look at the product lions and you're looking at it discount stores and you're looking at those particular brands.
Most of those brands do make a low end product line specifically for the discount stores and like LG. And specific on a black friday special. You might buy that television set and it's interesting because the person will bring that in and this happened to us one Time World War L. G. Warranty service center and we came to work on it.
We called L. G. And L. G. Said I said I couldn't find the parts list for this one anywhere. And the guys that LG said yes that was a specific television manufactured for black friday sale. We don't have parts for that one it's disposable tv. That's exactly what happened when
Steve Bakken
you call up and the service guy starts giggling at you that you know you're in trouble. Right.
Speaker 5
Yeah, absolutely. So any of those brands just feel we're a little bit leery of those really low price sets, but then of course the quality levels a little bit lower to you. So you have a lot of sacrifices. So stick in the middle of the line. Now, the other thing, you know, there are other brands out there like High sense and physio of the brands that are sold in the discount stores. There's nothing wrong with those brands as long as you stick with their higher end product line, you're
going to pay a little bit extra for those. But their higher end product line, they do have some repair capabilities on those sets and they do have some fairly good quality and very nice features available on those as well. So if you do like those brands and a lot of people do, I can't talk everybody into a Sony or Samsung or LG but they do make some good products out there as well.
Steve Bakken
But it also looks like uh factors into it is what you're using that television for if you're sticking a sticking it up in a a bar room or a man cave or you maybe not need that higher quality tv and some of those work just nicely. Now we're talking super Bowl and people want to have a good Super Bowl party. So what do you got over at Vice electronics? That's gonna get me through the Super bowl this year?
Speaker 5
Well actually right now we've got a great variety in stock and we do have some of the old LED bottles in stock and on sale. In fact, I'm carrying the 55 inch, 65 five inch and 77 inch LED televisions in stock. They're absolutely fabulous. I've got them on display. You can take a look at those. I do also have the Mini LED products on sale as well as a full line of the standard LED backlit televisions.
We also, if you happen to have a surround sound system at home that you had looked to your television, maybe it's not working quite properly. Sony has put those on sale as well. If you need a replacement surround sound In the 5.1 and the 9.7.1 systems, those are in stock and on sale as well. So those are a couple of good deals that you catch up on electronics as well.
Steve Bakken
Well, that was the other side of things with the audio that's out there now, because of course you got the surround sound systems. But um, if you're gonna maximize the audio from your television set, you really do have to have some sort of a surround system, but that's dependent on the size of the room, correct? Also the tv size, depending on the size of the room,
Speaker 5
it really does, yeah, the side of the room makes a big difference, the design of the room too because what a lot of people have done in recent years has gotten rid of the carpeting and so without carpeting they're putting hardwood floors or some type of a hard floor in their homes. And what happens is you did a lot of echo in the house from your television set, your sound system.
So you have to be a little bit careful what you're putting in there and making sure that the system you have has that capability of tailoring a little bit to the room. That's there. A lot of the new systems now do have, they come with a microphone calibration microphone, you can calibrate to the room, those sorts of things. So that is very, very helpful as well.
Steve Bakken
Bottom line talk to a professional because there's so much to find out out there. Clarence if somebody wants to stop by feist electronics, how do they track you down?
Speaker 5
Hey, we're at 2 25 west broadway, we're right across the street without town dairy queen,
Steve Bakken
is it open yet?
Speaker 5
Through Friday 9-5 30 9 to 4. Check us out on the web because all the specials on the television that we were just talking about are on there and lots of information is on the lips at electronics dot com
Steve Bakken
and we'll get an update from you two when dairy queen opens up? Right?
Speaker 5
Absolutely. Well, you know,
Steve Bakken
because that's the important stuff. Go get a tv and well a blizzard. Right.
Speaker 5
That's right. Exactly.
Steve Bakken
Clarence, who, who are you rooting for this weekend?
Speaker 5
Well I just want to make sure the eagles don't win.
Steve Bakken
Yeah, Okay, me too. Thank you my friend Clarence over it. Thank you. Clarence over at feist electronics. You can stop by downtown bismarck and check out electronics, all your television needs and they'll even get some tall before the big game, but you might want to hurry and stop in and check out the selection. When we come back. We're gonna talk with marlo Anderson, our guru of geek. This is talk of the town on a tech Tuesday on Super Talk 12 70
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Steve Bakken
talk of the town on super Talk 12 70 tech Tuesday. I'm steve back in your host along with our guru of geek marlo Anderson don't forget to celebrate every day nationally calendar dot com and marlo, are you a little bit sore this morning. I have you fully recovered from the flag football game at the pro bowl on saturday or
Speaker 5
sunday? Were
Steve Bakken
you playing in that? Uh, you were a goal post.
Speaker 5
Right. I could have. Right. I mean I got patted down once or twice. That's it.
Steve Bakken
Oh, there you go. Busy weekend in las Vegas with the Pro bowl being, there are a lot of festivities going on. Did you catch any of those?
Speaker 5
So I haven't been, I'm actually down here for work. You
Steve Bakken
know,
Speaker 5
distance. ...
Steve Bakken
You missed the flag football game. Oh well.
Speaker 5
Yeah, I know. I know. You know, I don't even, I wasn't even well attended there. I got here yesterday. There's nobody here. It's,
Steve Bakken
I don't know. I didn't,
Speaker 5
I
Steve Bakken
didn't even turn it on. I I have no idea why I did that. There were fans or anything. It was like really flag football. No, I'm not going there. But okay. So you're in Vegas this week of course. Uh Maybe doing a little filming for the new television show.
Speaker 5
Yes. But uh you know, I gotta throw that little tech stuff in and of course you got a little excited when I told you I'm in the brand new pole star, the wagen and I'm actually driving right now in the streets of Vegas talking to you from the car is very quiet. I mean it's like an E.
V. Where it's very quiet that most time. I don't know if it's even on um I mean that's that's probably what's weird about it? Did you tell you stop? I don't even know if I have it turned off when I park it in a parking garage. It's just kind of weird in that regard.
Steve Bakken
You walk away and go, did I shut my car off? I don't remember. I don't know.
Speaker 5
That's exactly, you
Steve Bakken
know, I just came up with a great idea for a for a franchise radio stations plays nothing but car
Speaker 5
noise ... brilliant.
Steve Bakken
Yeah, because the radio goes off. So you're like, well, my car must be off because I turned the radio off.
Speaker 5
It's
Steve Bakken
brilliant. It's brilliant.
Speaker 5
It's a great car. It's very responsive. I have, I'm having a hard time adjusting to when I take my foot off the gas. It tends it slows down very, very fast. Like I'm putting a brake on. I don't even, I haven't even touched the brake in the last 10 minutes.
Steve Bakken
Well, that's the thing with TVs and I find that out when I was, you know, drive the lignite Energy Council's Tesla every now and then for some things. And and you, it's kind of like old school when you downshift instead of hitting the brakes to let the transmission slow the vehicle down.
Speaker 5
That's
Steve Bakken
what it's like all the time with an electric vehicle,
Speaker 5
right? That's exactly right. So if you're not careful, you'll give yourself a quick whiplash I think because it's just it really does come to stop pretty fast. Um But you know I guess you know the thing that you were talking about before we came on here about, you know more and more E.
V. S. Cause issues don't they? I mean it's not just about the electrical grid and all that good stuff. Um It really is about like when they're in an accident they explode sometimes you know there's fires, these are really challenging things for our first responders
Steve Bakken
flooding, flooding. So like with hurricane Ian it was talking with some firefighters down in Fort Myers and they're like yep that house burned down and that house burned down and that house burned because they had electric vehicles in the garage. Salt water and electric vehicle, batteries do not mix
Speaker 5
and they burn hot. Yeah
Steve Bakken
actually I was just watching,
Speaker 5
I
Steve Bakken
was just watching a story this morning on national news about firefighters saying that they need more training, they need more a different set of equipment, They need a bunch of um influx in the training and finances and things like that that go along with this new electric trend we're going into because they're seeing a bunch of different fires. Great example locally. So like people will bring in their little electric scooter, little electric motorbike or electric bicycle
and store them in their apartment in urban areas and then they catch fire, different set of protocols for firefighters and first responders um locally that anybody was curious how voters had their little fire, that was it, They were charging an electric golf cart that was a little scooter cart or a little motorcycle, uh golf cart and charging the battery that it blew up,
Speaker 5
you know, a lot of times with those two and and not to cause alarm to people, but but this happens with handheld, you know, your handheld devices to, they get warm, they blow up or whatever. And a lot of the fault is with the chargers that we use nowadays. So, and and I'm not trying to sell people on buying an apple charger, although I think Apple, they've got pretty much the corner, you know on that. But if you own an android for example, you can buy these aftermarket chargers and
they're not suspects a lot of times. So they have issues with the batteries, um, you know, in those phones too. So you have to be really careful that when you're buying chargers, like if you lose yours and you're in a convenience store and you're like, oh yeah, I need a cable from my phone or I need a new charger better make sure that they're actually, it's the charger you need for your phone because it can cause a lot of problems
Steve Bakken
happens
Speaker 5
like with golf carts and and uh the scooters and everything else. I mean it really is a problem.
Steve Bakken
Yeah, that $3 cord, it could be very expensive, go with the $19 cord, the one that goes with that device. You know even from brand to brand. Um and I found this out once upon a time because I had switched phone brands on my cellphone and I figured oh it's the same connector so a different phone brand um didn't quite charge correctly for the new phone brand.
So even going from brand to brand even though it was a certified charger for a cell phone that always doesn't make the difference either. You should go with the brand specific charger.
Speaker 5
Now this will get better as we move forward by the way. So uh you know we talked a lot about the european standards with other things but there was a thing that was passed in europe not too long ago about all devices have to have USB C. And even Apple has to do this. And the reason is just because it's kind of this issue and the fact that it's really really difficult you know to find the right court all the time.
So what's gonna happen is it's it's gonna force even the phones that we have in this country to go to that standard. And when that happens you'll probably have less and less of this scenario with fires and things. So that'll be a good thing. Well
Steve Bakken
I just on my cell phone my my Samsung went to U. S. B. C. A long time ago now when I bought this phone I had the option of not having a U. S. B. C. If I had a different brand phone and I knew that was coming. So I actually intentionally went that way. But Apple was the worst. Apple was uh every new phone they came out with had a different charging configuration. Right? Right. That drove people nuts from a consumer's perspective. That was just not doable at some point.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah. And I think you know when when I say U. S. B. C. It's actually you know like your phone now um you can probably plug it into like a U. S. B. B to USB C. So you have that a little adapter that goes on. That's what's going, bye bye. So you know, even even the charging devices themselves, we'll have a USB C.
Plug in. So it's USB C to USB C. And when you have that then you can be pretty assured that you're gonna get the charging experience that you need and that you don't have to worry as much about fire.
Steve Bakken
Well and that's one of the things I've noticed too is because everybody used to, oh well hand me a cube and grab a cube and plug in the USB into that to charge your device. Um uh They're kind of going away from that. The the USB cubes are are starting to disappear where they're actually the plug in to the U. S. B. C. Or whatever configuration they're getting rid of the cubes.
Speaker 5
Yes, yes. And I have a couple of those that, that actually have USB C on them. So if you have a C. Two C chord, that works pretty good too. Well
Steve Bakken
now I know where to go if I need to get
Speaker 5
one marla,
Steve Bakken
can I borrow a U. S. B C cube? ... But how's that gonna work when you start looking at multiple devices? Because part of the rationale behind the U. S. B. The regular USB plug in for cubes and other things was, you know, the integration between devices for computers, tablets, laptops, uh phones, it was kind of that universal across. I'm yet to see a U. S. B C on a laptop,
Speaker 5
but they are out there and that will be universal as well. So all of all of our devices moving forward, I'm guessing by 2020 for I'd say almost everything will have USB C. It'll be standardized, which is gonna be a great thing. So
Steve Bakken
for for consumers say somebody that buys a phone every four years if you have that option of getting that see now do it now.
Speaker 5
Yeah. So you know, and and the one argument that I make about this and I think, I think the standardization is great cause I mean my my cord drawer and I'm sure you have one too. Oh my goodness. It's
Steve Bakken
insane. That would be drawers plural.
Speaker 5
One
Steve Bakken
In my office, one upstairs
Speaker 5
downstairs. ...
Steve Bakken
Everybody I was talking about me, everybody's got a junk drawer. Now we have a junk drawer of just chords. Then we have a regular junk drawer and then I've got a cord drawer down because you can't throw away chords. You never know when you might need one. I've got a cord drawer down in my office, I've got one in the garage, got a cord for everything,
Speaker 5
everything right? So so I like this. The only thing I don't like about it is I'm afraid it's gonna um slow down innovation in this space, but you know, USB C. Is fast and it charges very very quickly. I mean when I when I'm USB C to USB C. And my Samsung 22 I just did it this morning.
I plugged it into USB 1st 5.5 hours charge time is what I showed up on that. I plugged it and then like I don't have 5.5 hours of charging things. I drug my block out and plugged it in 42 minutes. So it's a significant difference
Steve Bakken
actually courted plug in charger that just has the U. S. B. C. On the one end and then the plug in on the other that goes into the wall. Uh way faster way faster. Uh The hard thing to find is getting that configuration into your vehicle because I actually uh one vehicle, I have to carry the the charger and I've got one of the little conversion. Um
Speaker 5
So you
Steve Bakken
plug it in so yeah, because it won't keep my phone charged, I can plug my phone in because the amperage on the cigarette lighter that it's just not high enough on an older
Speaker 5
vehicle, which
Steve Bakken
is really interesting when you think about how much power your phone is using compared to that. What equates to a trickle charger coming from that uh cigarette lighter and that older vehicle, how much power your phone actually is using just to maintain? That's not talk time or anything else. It's just it's slowly losing power while it's just plugged in as I'm driving down the road.
Speaker 5
Yeah, because I mean your your your your device is being used to power your navigation and everything else and your car probably. So that's why. So um I do want to get into this ai stuff that's going on and Microsoft today, so I don't know if you want to take a break and come back to that.
Steve Bakken
Oh yeah, see somebody's got to keep me on task there. So marlo, we'll talk about the A.
Speaker 5
I. I
Steve Bakken
know but you and I, this is talk of the town on super pac 12 70 on tech Tuesday with our guru of geek, marlo Anderson don't forget to celebrate every day nationally calendar dot com. This is talk of the town on super talk 12 70.
Speaker 1
Talk Talk 1270. Welcome back to talk of the town on Super Talk 1270, you're
Steve Bakken
tuned to talk of the town on Super 12 70 I'm your host along with Marlo Anderson, our guru of geek on this tech Tuesday. Alright, Marlowe Ai it has been crazy chat GPT has been all over the place, there has been a i stories coming out of our ears over the last week.
Speaker 5
Yeah, and that and really the last 24 hours has just been going insane. So
Steve Bakken
you've got bigger ears, so even more with
Speaker 5
you, what's that?
Steve Bakken
And you've got bigger ears So even more with you,
Speaker 5
I have. That's true, that's true. So Microsoft, I think as we're speaking is having a big press conference, at least it was scheduled about the integration of ai into the bing search tool or the being browser. Right? Not to be outdone by this yesterday, late in the day, Google comes out and says they have their own Ai that they were going to be integrating as well called Bard B A R D.
So Microsoft has been pumping billions of dollars in the chat GPT. Um and then now google, which they've been, they've had artificial intelligence for three or four years already, maybe even longer than that, but through developers they could they could tap into it but I suppose chat Gpt fast forward them a little bit to to their announcement and they did this right in front of of Microsoft's that's going on, supposedly right now.
The challenges. Microsoft, I don't know if you know this, but all look went down yesterday yesterday. So there's been people for about 18 hours now that haven't had email service and they are scrambling to try to get this fixed. So that's really interesting too. So I'm not sure if they're gonna fix that first before they make the announcement on being or if they're just gonna do the same time. I don't know. But anyway,
Steve Bakken
see I heard outlet went down because of a chinese weather balloon. Any validity to that story? ...
Speaker 5
It's
Steve Bakken
just a
Speaker 5
rumor. I
Steve Bakken
may have just started it, but it's a rumor
Speaker 5
when I get back, we're gonna be talking a lot about that balloon by the way, I have so many stories about
Steve Bakken
that. Really?
Speaker 5
Oh my goodness. Yeah. Anyway, but
Steve Bakken
next Tuesday is not National balloon Day, is it by any chance?
Speaker 5
Go ahead.
Steve Bakken
Next Tuesday's not National balloon Day by any chance, is
Speaker 5
it? ... It isn't, but maybe it should
Steve Bakken
be.
Speaker 5
Uh Yeah, but anyway, um, you know, so Microsoft of course is betting the farm basically on, on being here and the fact that they are integrating artificial intelligence into that search now, I don't know all of what that means. If you're able if it's going to be very similar to chat gpt where, where you can just ask your questions and it'll just give you an answer without going to a website and if that's the case, which I anticipate it is Everything that all of us have been doing for the
past 25 or 30 years as far as search engine optimization and getting yourself to the top of those lists or whatever is gonna be obsolete. ... Isn't that something? And um, you know, this is gonna be a fast change with that and even myself still scratching my head about how I'm going to adapt to this. I'm excited about the technology. I just do, I know what it's going to do to some of the companies that I'm involved with. So it's interesting to try to figure this out.
Steve Bakken
So my question is from a technology perspective is have they fixed the,
Speaker 5
some
Steve Bakken
of the inaccuracies? If you ask uh, ai a question, you're going to get an answer, but it's not always the right answer. So there's a lot of filtration in
Speaker 5
that. I asked chat. Gpt to give me the top 10 musical influencers from north go to yesterday. It gave me Ella
Steve Bakken
Fitzgerald.
Speaker 5
I
Steve Bakken
asked for last night's powerball numbers. I got nothing. It's, it didn't work for me either. Marlowe. Thank you, my friend. We'll see you next Tuesday. This is talk of the town on super talk 12 70 ... A L X X A
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